I was told winter layoff was three weeks when interviewed. It is two months. Managers are idiots who prove the Dilbert principle true consistently. Very little room for advancement with no appreciation from the guys making the real money while staying clean and making the tech's lives hell (the salesmen). "Sure, Mr. Rosenberg, if you buy this two million dollar yacht, our guys will have it ready to go in two days for you! No problem!" Then the hell begins. Psychopathic moron managers start screaming and the sh%t show begins. Wash, rinse, repeat.